Okay.

With this look it's so funny having this saxophone playing in the background.

If everybody can hear it,

listeners can hear it, I don't know,

you welcome to your hemospheric jazz.

It's your chill time.

It's like hold music,

but better.

Unfortunately it's not hemispheric jazz,

it's hemispheric views.

But today, guys,

it is not just a hemispheric views episode,

it's a special one.

What do we call this in the business,

Jason?

Well, if you look at the calendar,

any calendar in the world,

there are twelve months.

The eleventh month is November.

But November's kinda boring..

We're kind of over it So what we've decided to do in typical fashion,

I think this is the fifth fourth,

fifth, something number of times now.

It's neat November 2026.

What does that mean?

Well, it means we have a guest.

And who's our guest?

The lovely Adam,

or Neat Nick,

as you might know him on the interwebs.

Hello, Adam. Hello.

Thanks for having me.

It is very good to have you.

And it wouldn't be a episode of Hermosort Reviews if I didn't just quickly acknowledge the fact that I did still have after giving you warnings about recording methodologies,

I did still have sound source running,

so when Jason started to speak,

I couldn't hear a thing.

Episode 176 Year Six The Sixth Year of doing this.

We're gonna get there.

So I think it's back now,

so hopefully the recording works.

But that is not the introduction you deserved Adam,

but that's the introduction you got.

No, it's wonderful.

I'll I'll take anything.

I thought you were gonna insult his name.

So how are you feeling,

Adam? It's been a big few days for you.

Yeah. Um I've been doing okay.

it's uh things are pretty busy.

Things are busy with with everything.

Things are busy with my day job,

they're busy with my family,

and they're super busy with Omgulol,

OMG dot L O L whatever you want to call it.

Still don't know what to call it.

I I switch all the time.

But yeah,

busy. But good, good,

busy. That's good.

It has to be Omgolol.

I think we have decided on this show that Omgolol is Yeah.

Canonically we we can agree that it's Omgolol.

And for those who haven't heard you on the show before,

Adam, really I mean OMG.

L O L slash Omgolol,

it's really become quite the thing now,

hasn't it? It's kind of like people's home of all these different services that they can use on the web.

I mean, I I don't want to explain it for you.

is is there something you can tell the uninitiated out there what it is that you do,

what you're putting together? Yeah.

Um no it's I I uh mean I don't know if I can explain it any any better than anyone else.

It's and I think every explanation is a little different.

Um it's it's just kind of a hodgepodge,

I guess. I don't I don't get to use that word often enough,

so I'll use it now.

it's a it's an assortment um of different random things that that I've sort of put together into something that pretends to be a coherent service,

I guess, but um but yeah,

it's just it's sort of a bunch of little technical bits and bobs,

but also a really nice community.

I think that that's actually my favorite part of it over the years.

We're entering in April,

we'll hit um year eight,

I guess, of this service,

which is crazy. And um and the part that's emerged that I appreciate the most,

that I think is the most valuable is the community aspect.

We've got a lot of really nice people that just hang out and chat in a variety of different places.

Um we have a IRC server,

which is my personal favorite thing.

We have a Mastodon server.

We have uh a forum and um yeah the people are are just the greatest and the nicest and we talk about web stuff and we talk about tech stuff,

but um but the community aspect aside,

yeah, it's it's uh it's like a profile page or a static webpage if you if you want to do that.

It's uh email forwarding with a really cool email address with uh that ends in omg.lol.

Um it's a domain name that you can do anything with with DNS and uh uh just so many other things.

I don't wanna I don't wanna like ramble on and on,

but there's I think there's something like 12 or 13 distinct things.

I just recently added a journaling thing at WordWrap.lol um a few months ago launched a uh SourceForge thing running for Forgeo?

Forgio? I don't know how to pronounce anything anymore.

I was waiting for you to tell you what that was called because I've only ever seen it written.

Forge Joe?

I don't know. I I always feel like it's it's pronounced in a more fancy way than that that my American tongue can't quite produce.

Or Gejo.

There you go. There you go.

I'm sure there's an accent in there somewhere.

No, it's uh it's I've I've just put the domain source tube in front of it,

source dot tube.

So that's that's what I call it,

source tube. But yeah,

that's I don't know. That's like the world's worst explanation of Omgulol,

but um it's it's a bunch of different things.

And some people just like come and use one or two things or just one thing,

and other people are the crazy power users that are using more things on it than than I am.

And uh I love it. I think it's great.

There's no wrong way to use it.

It's uh it's just meant to be fun and kind of useful.

I was horrified the other day when I discovered you had another place to put words.

I was like, oh no,

oh no. Now I have to make another decision point.

Do I put it on my blog,

my other blog, my mastodon that you run?

Do I put it on this thing?

Do I put it in my day one journal?

Adam, you're giving me conniptions with all these options.

Yeah, it's uh what is it,

the blogger's dilemma,

I guess. I don't know. it's there's uh it's nice to have choice,

but the choice can be paralyzing.

Um so yeah,

and I'm still trying to figure out how to I've kind of quietly launched Word Wrap.

Um I haven't even really documented it anywhere.

It's not there isn't even a link to it from the Omgol site right now.

That's how sort of early and new this is.

But so I do have some work to do,

I think, in trying to describe it better and convey it and sort of articulate the the purpose and the the goal.

Um I've sort of done that on its about page,

but it's still kinda there's probably more refinement I could do with that to try to make some more sense to it.

One of the things I've noticed about that is the kind of the it it runs alongside your other service,

your status log.

And this is the thing that makes it interesting to me.

You have all these discrete services like you have your Mastodon service and you have WordWrap.

Then you have status log,

but that can post to Mastodon.

And so they they and then you can put a you can put a static image of that,

your Lotus status update on a website.

There's so many ways that you can glue these things together and then that they they flow across one another.

Is that intentional or is that just the way it's kind of turned out?

A little bit of both.

Um I I've it's all intentional,

even if it feels haphazard,

um, and it's also simultaneously haphazard.

But no, I I like I like um choice and flexibility and freedom and and options.

And I'm the kind of person that likes to tinker and I like to try to put things out there in a way that that fuels and sustains and enables other people's tinkering.

So um big fan of embedding things into web pages,

so I try to do embedding whenever possible and offer that through a a a pretty simple way um and uh try to offer customization and and uh configuration wherever possible um so yeah there's there's a lot of that in there and and and much of it is very intentional,

even if it is inconsistent.

Um I'm I'm fully admit that I'm guilty of uh a fair number of inconsistencies with the way that these things look and work and feel.

Some of the inconsistencies are actually intentional as well,

but but no, I'm I'm still trying to shape things up and I'm I'm definitely taking feedback from all kinds of folks and uh doing the best I can to try to stay on top of all that and roll out changes and updates and improvements as time goes on.

And Jason, you're the one who you're our web tinkerer at large.

Have you tinkered with all those different connectors and made them work?

Oh I mean it I think of OMG kind of like the board game mousetrap where you can kind of just make one thing go to another thing go to another thing go to another thing,

whether you want to or not,

but yeah, w I mean we use it for posting show updates.

That's how that all goes out today.

So it's all b and I you know,

like Adam said, you can use one of the things,

you can use fourteen of the things.

It doesn't really matter.

I think that's what's really great is they're they all work together,

but they don't have to.

You could just use the status page and never do anything else ever again.

still great.

So I I really appreciate that about it.

That it's a it's an affordable way to get a bunch of crap,

but you don't also feel bad that like,

oh, I'm paying all this money for fourteen services and I'm only using two of them.

It's like t use one of them,

worth it. Use thirteen of them,

worth it. Because it's it's just the the the great thing about it.

One of the great things about it.

I thoroughly enjoy using the Mastodon server.

It's a good community there,

as you said, uh Adam,

but I I have to laugh because I love status log,

but I'm reminded of how often I completely forget about it and then I go back and it's like people think Martin's been doing the same thing for a very long time.

He doesn't move.

Oh wait, no, he actually need to update that.

So um yeah,

good reminder.

So many choices.

So many options. Yeah,

heading into eight years,

yeah. Amazing.

So that's already longer than most dot com businesses.

Do we call do we still call them dot com businesses?

We call them what are I think we can.

We can't hear for sure.

It's probably anachronistic these days.

Those of us of a certain age will call it But um so so eight years a great time.

But how long do you intend to keep working on this thing?

Do you have what's your what's your exit ramp you know are you what you're gonna you're gonna 10x this thing and like sell out there's there's no there's no exit i'm I am glued to this I am stitched to this like this is uh this is this is part of who I am and and uh I I could never I'm using this stuff myself and relying on it myself and will indefinitely.

And so,

you know, even the thought of like if somebody if somebody knocked on my door tomorrow and and had a suitcase full of large bills of cash and was like,

Hey, let me just take this whole thing off your hands and you can retire and live in,

you know, Japan or someplace cool and fun.

Jason, knock on the door now.

Knock on the door now.

As tempting and interesting as that might be,

like in theory,

the the first thought that would come to mind is you know who's who's gonna who's gonna take care of this?

Like who who else do I trust to to run it?

Um in fairness som,ebody probably could run it better than me.

I'll be the first to admit that.

but who else could I tr entrust to to keep it running the way I like to run it?

And to sustain the community that I'm trying to sustain and to uh keep it sort of quirky and fun and and sprinkle new things onto it every now and then and honestly I I don't think I'd ever be able to to I don't want to make this a trust issue,

but I I keep using that word.

I don't think I'd ever be able to trust anyone else to do that.

So uh no,

I mean I have I have zero plans of ever letting go of this.

This is this is uh it's my love.

It's my my internet love.

So I'm gonna keep at it uh indefinitely.

And does anyone else even know PHP?

Uh no I it's it's such a rare language.

It's there's only a handful of people left who There's like six of you,

I think, right?

I well, I think we we lost Jim recently.

Okay, so you're down to f yeah,

so it's like who else could?

There's five other people. no.

No, PHP is uh I it is interesting w with that recent um vulnerability that PHP had,

like how many people I've I've talked to and and both online and offline.

Like uh somebody at work I was I was having a conversation with the other day,

and they're like, PHP,

oh, that's dead now. And I'm like,

what are you talking about? like,

yeah, you heard some scary things in the news about it,

but it's not, it's not over.

Uh, it's still a perfectly fine language that just happened to have one very uh notable scary vulnerability recently.

But yeah, good old PHP.

I love it. Everybody out there loves to hate it,

but I still love it.

Can you imagine how many people in the world heard the acronym PHP for the first time in their life like that week that had to be overwhelmingly the vast majority of the population of Earth were just like Yeah,

I think a lot of people out there just who are the uninitiated technologically would have just thought what cyber attack happened at PHP?

what's going on?

Yeah.

Could I ask as a non programmer,

could I ask you a question?

And this might maybe look really stupid,

but that's okay.

Two questions is the rule.

Okay.

Okay. I can make two questions.

First questions.

Doesn't everything written in PHP end up looking like PHP B BB?

Oh that',s a really good question.

So I haven't touched PHP BB in forever,

but my ancient recollection is you wind up with like a lot of a lot of syntax with like Yeah,

I just feel like everything always it it does it devolved back to that kind of because that was such a foundational kind of thing of the internet,

the PHP and the PHP BB boards that you would go on.

And it so it always just they th those two connect in my mind.

And I'm like, is PHP good for other stuff as well as just writing those boards?

Oh no, it's good for so much.

You could you can do anything with PHP.

PHP is the it's the ultimate programming uh blank slate.

it's the ultimate white canvas of of the programming world.

You don't have to download a l a bunch of libraries,

you don't have to import things,

you don't have to trust a bunch of weird packages and dependencies.

You just fire up PHP and it has everything you need,

and you can just build stuff.

You can build a forum like PHP BB,

you could build um a whole like interactive website,

you can build whatever you want.

It's so much fun. I'm actually really excited right now in Signal.

I feel like we've gone into like corporate teams lane.

Jason Burke just raised his hand.

Yes, Jason. What would you like to say to it?

I am a habitual hand raiser when it comes to doing meetings.

I love it because everybody freaks out.

They're like, wait, what? What does that mean?

It means I want to say something. It's true because normally you normally actually physically raise your hand.

People can't see it on the show, but you normally I didn't get to my second question,

Jason. Oh I'm so lower hand.

Okay, go ahead.

My second question is another dumb programming question.

Is there any relationship between PHP and Pearl?

Not on a technical level,

I don't think. The relationship,

the reason that a lot of people,

I think, think of those two things together is because they both start with P.

They both start with P,

yes. And then sort of like historically,

if you sort of rewind the the clock,

um you go back to the the late 90s when PHP was what PHP kind of came about in the mid 90s and then it got Oh wow um it's uh it's don't believe anything they say but yeah go on um Pearl was was being used for a lot of web stuff around that time.

So around the time that PHP started to gain more popularity and people started to actually take it kind of seriously as a functional language for web and internet-related stuff,

Pearl was was very popular and alive and kicking around the time.

so I think uh PHP and Pearl are sort of two Ps in a pod of like mid to late nineties,

very early 2000s um web programming stuff.

I think that's why those those two things kind of feel like they're they're connected a bit.

I tapped out learning I can't now I kind of re remember the name of the language.

What was that one they taught you after basic?

Amiga.

No, not that one.

That's what it was. Pascal.

Thank you, man. Yeah,

Pascal's a a fun one.

Also starts with P.

Also starts with P,

yeah. I for my final project I made a tic-tac-toe game that could play itself,

and it was incredibly boring.

Um and uh yeah,

but I got Lake Whopper.

Whopper.

Yes. It played itself all the time.

It did. It did. It was far more interesting than tic-tac now.

I just think burgers when I hear that.

And Andrew, that would have been around the time you took up shorthand,

so that's why you were disrupted.

Probably was, yeah. Yeah.

Thanks. Thanks for that little shot across the bow.

Now Jason, you raised your hand.

Do you have to raise it again?

Or now hang on,

there's I I've got a button here that says I can open the queue.

Okay. One raised hand,

Jason Burke. That's me.

I can't doesn't do anything,

but doesn't do anything.

Perfect. All right.

Uh just quickly back to the few.

It sounds like the future of OMG is strong.

I just wanted to recap a couple things there.

It sounds like we have a $40 million series A with a $200 trillion valuation and we're looking to exit within twelve to eighteen months.

Did I get that did I get that back right,

Andrew? Is that what you had?

I don't think you included the sabbatical dice.

Oh of course.

That's his data center.

That's what the data center is gonna return,

you know? Uh this Oh geez.

No none of that is true.

And uh no, I've never been offered any kind of investment.

I I don't think I would take it.

Don't really want to be beholden to anyone,

just wanna build good stuff in a fun way and put it out there for folks and keep it simple.

So go you say that now,

but you haven't yet heard the balance of the uh one prime plus kitty.

That's true. we are we are actively seeking investment in many ventures.

You thought you thought bending spoons was ruining the world?

Wait up.

Here we come.

We got tens of dollars to be thrown around,

so watch out.

Oh boy. We're gonna Evernote this thing.

Evernote.

Okay, but wait, quickly.

It's like what is it like eighty dollars a year?

What does it cost?

No, it's uh it it's's forty-eight dollars a year.

It's four bucks a month.

Didn't you put the prices up?

Still too cheap. Yeah,

I thought you'd change that.

Yeah. that's after raising them.

Um so that's where I landed,

four dollars a month. Perfect.

And we should be clear with the listeners,

because we didn't start with this disclaimer for people who haven't heard neat Vember episodes before.

We're not here as as some sort of ad.

This is not some paid agreement.

We're all users of Adam's service.

Oh, we're here's it. We just enjoy it.

But where is it as investors?

Yeah. Is this some sort of dragon's den shark technology?

Hostile take care of it.

Oh, here we are for the fun of the web and all that stuff,

and it's like, oh wow, I'm like the judge who had no clue.

Um yeah. We're prepared to offer eleven dollars for forty two percent.

See he he can't he can't say no to us.

Like look at our grinning faces.

Just trying to be polite.

No, I don't even know what that with that what like uh what's that TV show,

Shark Tank or whatever?

Like I've never actually watched it,

so I don't know like what the what I'm supposed to say,

like what Mark Cuban says to people to tell them to take a hike.

Like I have no idea what what that show it it doesn't matter what you say,

we just edit and rearrange it to make you look foolish.

that's what they do on the show.

Yeah. Exactly.

All reality TV.

So don't worry about it.

Look, Adam, we're just trying to make things help easier for you,

give you the ri the greater resources that our enterprise could bring forth.

Because one of the other things we wanted to talk about was obstacles and what is some of the stuff that makes it difficult for you to work on this project.

Now we're sure we're here trying to make it easier for you by investing,

but you're saying no to that.

So what are these obstacles?

Injecting capital.

Is it infusing?

I like injecting because it sounds filthier.

There you go. Aggressive,

actually, yeah.

Like you don't have an option.

This is this is happening.

Obstacles, that's a great topic though,

because uh there are no shortage of them.

Actually, there I they're really only a a few,

but they're they're kind of big obstacles,

at least for me. Every everybody's different.

Everybody's got their own challenges.

Um for me,

I I just have two like two major challenges,

two major obstacles kind of at all times in my life.

One is time,

which, you know, that's probably a common thing for anyone trying to get anything done or juggle multiple things,

but time is limited.

Um, you know, I've I've mentioned this in the past.

I do have a you know a full-time job,

uh, a career um in technology and the healthcare sector.

Um I take it pretty seriously.

it's something I've done for over 20 years now.

So you know that's that's still that's still what what um what puts food on the table.

Omgulol buys me coffee,

but it doesn't it can't sustain my family or pay the mortgage.

But um so yeah,

so time is tough because you know I I really I can't theoretically work on Omgulal full-time when I already have a full-time job.

Although in reality,

if I if I actually ran a time tracker,

I'd probably be like mortified at the fact that I am probably working two full-time jobs.

Um, put a lot of night and weekend time into ongool and uh sometimes middle of the night time for different things that come up.

But uh time,

time is a challenge,

um, and probably always will be.

So that's just something I've gotten used to to sort of dealing with.

But the other big challenge for me is just a wretched crippling case of ADHD that I um really I know I need to take some medicine for that.

Like I I my doctor has tried to prescribe stuff to me in the past and I've always been stubborn about it and like eh,

you know. And the couple of times that I've been willing to to um to try that,

it actually has been pretty good,

pretty successful.

And I don't know. I don't know what it is about like the particular flavor of ADHD I have that makes me,

despite being totally rationally aware of the fact that there are some pills I can take that will actually bring me to a place where I can focus and function and um and get things done more efficiently and more consistently,

there's just some bit in my brain that's flipped that says,

nah, don't, don't do that.

Don't take that medicine. I think that might be the DHD bit,

right? I guess.

I know I'm not alone with this.

I know other other folks out there have have this same issue or or similar similarly flavored issues.

But yeah, ADHD focus,

executive function, all these things are are a challenge at times and it can be really hard to um to start things.

It can be really hard to finish things.

I have so many unfinished things floating around out there.

It's they've all become like kind of a joke in in different social circles that I'm in.

But um and I have full intention of finishing all of them uh eventually.

But yeah, that's it's a it's a big challenge.

It's a big obstacle.

You know, on the flip side of that though,

there is a sort of hyper focus that can come with that.

So it sort of manifests itself as a superpower at times.

And when I do get into something and I do get into a flow state,

um, I can really kick its butt and do some cool and fun things with it.

So but it's it's not easy to do that.

That and that kind of triggers itself accidentally.

It's uh I don't know,

maybe maybe here I am back to the back to the medicine.

I should just take it and uh and uh get into it.

It's very brave of you to um to acknowledge that because that th there's all well,

I think for the longest time and I think probably less so now,

there is been a stigma attached to anything related to yeah,

mental uh mental health.

But I feel like if you want to call it that,

'cause I don't even know if that's really the best way to describe it,

it's a it's just a condition,

right? Um but it it's you know it I think the fact that you're you're more aware of it,

it does it help you then to acknowledge the challenges that you're having and and be more accepting and maybe be less hard on yourself because you know that you're also dealing with this this medical matter.

It's not just you being distractable or lazy or any of those sorts of things that people might say.

Yeah, it's it it does help.

It does help to to to have that awareness and to to um sort of internalize that.

I think it also what also really helps,

honestly, is the point that you just made a moment ago,

that that more people are talking more openly and frequently about ADHD and how it manifests itself.

And I think there's been a lot of lot of really good work being done over the over the past several years,

and especially fairly recently,

from folks that are just shining a brighter light on what that can be like and and sort of shattering the the classic assumption that it's just you know laziness or hyperactivity or or you know,

just a a couple of problems that people have and and um and and raising more awareness of the fact that there's a whole slew of like really yucky,

annoying things that kind of get attached to um to many different forms of ADHD.

So um yeah like coming across more of that finding more of that out there finding more people talking about it and sharing,

you know, the the things that they're putting up with and and and facing with that.

Um it's helpful.

it's you know sort of validating and um and uh oddly comforting at the same time.

But I probably still need to take the medicine.

Also I see Jason's hand is raised again.

I d I just appreciate this conversation.

I wanted to just chime in real quick about just the fact that I think it's great that we're talking about it.

Other people are talking about it.

Um we all have train wrecks of brains in various capacities,

whether diagnosed or not,

um probably not diagnosed,

because you don't want to go get diagnosed.

Raise your hand if that sounds familiar.

Um, but I was curious uh for me,

I feel like I do a lot of uh random tangent things,

projects,

and I almost feel like it has helped me in some respect to branch out into do other things that I might not have if I was very like,

I'm only gonna work on this one thing forever.

I'm not saying it's good that these things are happening in in a brains,

but I do sometimes wonder if that's how I've gotten into some of these like tangent offshoots of like,

oh, I probably never would have built that or even thought about going in that.

Whether it worked out or not,

it was a cool direction to go in for a little while.

Um I'm not saying that's the same for you,

but I did notice that for sure.

Yeah, highly relatable.

And probably why Omgolol has like 12 or thirteen different things now.

So yeah,

like that that shows up there as well.

And then and I've got things I'm doing outside of Omal that that I'm still working on and trying to have fun with.

And um but yeah it,'s uh chasing after um different interests and and allowing yourself to sort of follow your curiosity and and dive into different things.

Um it's you know,

I think I think that can be part of AT ADHD,

but it's also just a fun and rewarding thing to do.

Um and you can learn a lot when when you're doing that.

So um Jason,

I don't know if you if you find yourself like appreciating what you're learning along the way with things like that,

I'd imagine you do.

Um for me, that's it's a really nice uh sort of happy side effect of of this is coming away a little a little more experienced,

a little smarter each time,

um, a little more um equipped to do different things in the future.

Um it's kind of a a feature,

not a bug, I guess. Sometimes it's actually more it's actually m more useful than the actual finishing whatever it was.

I might learn something new and be and find out yeah,

that's not what I want to do.

But it was cool. So I can now move on to something else.

We're getting such great interaction from the room today.

I just want to say thank you,

Jason, for raising your hand.

Now see another another hand.

raised Martin.

I I'm a big fan of this system now.

We've never done it before. It feels so official.

It's you know it's kinda like lunch and learn webinar through work,

but without all the cringe.

Um Jason, I know you've got you've just got be patient,

Jason, your hands raised.

I know, I acknowledge that,

but we we're in Martin's moment now.

Thank you. Thank you.

I just wanted to say like yeah,

thank you for the uh the honesty and the openness,

Adam, and what you were saying,

Jason, about like tangents and stuff,

that's cool. But I feel like it's also somewhat the spirit of the web or all the tools that you're doing.

It's like you get into something,

but because you have this this experience across the web,

I'm speaking on your behalf now,

it's like, oh, I really like this thing,

but then not everything or not every medium does the same thing.

So you find you kinda wanna do this,

which is that's kind of the tension of centralized web services or social media and stuff.

it does that thing really well that it markets within within its closed system for most of the public,

but misses those things that other others enjoy about tinkering.

So I like the fact that you have all these offshoots.

It's like the web contained within your thing.

But I also want to add, this is regarding Jason.

Jason has a very good system now for when he does want to try something new,

particularly in the photographic area.

Jason, am I correct? I'm now your photographic purchase scapegoat.

Yes. If you want to try something new,

you just blame me. Blame me for the cost.

It it's worked every single time.

I love it. Perfect.

so Adam, if something costs you extra money or you want to do something,

find that person in your life who is that enabler you can blame.

Oh that is that is that is splendid advice.

And you've already racing as to who that might be.

I actually a couple of people I can maybe I can distribute the load um and and for different people.

So many hands in this room.

My goodness. Yeah,

I think Jason's Jason's hand is up next.

Oh thank you.

Thank you. Thank you for the thank you for the floor and the time,

Chairman. Appreciate it.

Uh three minutes.

We ha three minutes I will be I will qu I'll be quick and I will I will give the rest of my time to Adam.

Um we had a listener question actually kind of related to to things you know in progress.

The listener question says Nito when question mark and it's just signed undisputed June Bree Grand Champion.

I don't know who that could be.

So I don't I don't know.

Uh I think we can figure that out.

Um with a with a little little investigation.

It's a good question though. So Neto,

I've been working on Neto for a long time now.

Like I've I've stopped counting how long.

I'm sure somebody out there knows.

Don't tell me. I don't want to know.

Um couple of weeks.

Not as long as big mail.

It's uh That's the bar.

The bar in the show is big mail.

If you finish anything before big mail two comes out,

you have completed the challenge.

Well we get big mail before GTA 6.

No the the um Nido is coming along.

it's Nido is big and ambitious and it's it's the kind of thing that like should probably have like five to seven different smart people working on it at the same time,

but unfortunately it's stuck with just me stubbornly trying to do it all on my own.

So the the pace is reflected in that.

Um but it's it's happening in super slow motion,

but it is happening, it's going to happen,

it's going to launch, it's going to be awesome.

I'm excited about it.

I I I have a rough build of it out there now.

I'm using it on my website.

It kind of mostly works.

And there's still plenty more to do,

but it's uh it's gonna happen.

I can't can't give a like a month and a date um answer to the to the when question,

but uh the commitment is a hundred percent there.

I also realized we didn't actually say what it was,

which is pretty on brand for us to do a long segment about something and never say what it is.

Yeah, Nito is it's uh it's going to be a static site building engine thingy,

whatever whatever you call that,

static site generator,

SSG,

um, and a content management system and a content hosting service all rolled into one.

Um and on the back end,

that same engine is actually going to wind up powering um all of the omgolal um publishing functions.

So uh when I finally have all this fitted together and working the way I want it to,

um everything, like even status log entries,

um uh profile pages,

everything will be published by Nito,

everything will be static.

Um it's gonna be really nice.

I'm I'm looking forward to getting there.

Surely that'll be an additional cost.

No, absolutely not.

I wouldn't do that.

What? Uh Andrew,

I see your hand uh is raised there in the back.

Please uh please proceed.

Yes, thank you thank you,

Jason. And um actually I didn't really have a question.

I just wanted to have a turn at raising my hand because I'd never done the Also probably seen that in an actual meeting at a workplace.

Somebody literally do that.

Oh, I just wanted to see what it would do.

it's women's the hand that stays up for the whole meeting.

That's the one. It's when you're wrapping it up and everybody's about to say,

Okay, thanks, bye.

And then somebody says, Actually I have one more question.

And everyone's like,

uh Can you do a deep dive on the Q2 budget,

please? Did you say actual budget?

No, I would never say that.

Do you love actual budget?

Uh I don't like the word budget at all.

Thank you. Yes.

Yeah. One of us.

One of us.

I respect the entire finance domain.

It has my utmost respect.

Um, but it's it's not it's not a place,

it's not a space I like to dwell in.

As yous' your depreciation spreadsheet looking?

Are you right?

This is Andrew's attempt to turn the entire episode into business school.

Imagine finance.lull.

Just imagine it.

Oh gosh. No.

Yeah, but you have to say it's for Nanka Lol.

Mr. B Love it.

That would actually be a pretty good fun site.

If you if you want to workshop that in a later date,

please There's a very important next point in those notes I think we have to get to that business corner.

Very important. Business corner,

but fine.

Apparently you're working on some other stuff that isn't finance project related.

Um I've got here I don't know if I should be giving these notes away or you should be telling us what's what's the best way to do this.

I think I can see the notes if I can remember how to Oh yeah,

okay, yeah, I see now.

Um so yeah, two things under the under the Neatnik umbrella that I'm working on.

One of which is actually getting ready to go live,

and that one is Neat Stats.

Um so I woke up one day and said,

you know, every stat thing out there,

every like website count hit counter statistic service is all focused on like trying to track every recorded hit from everybody and it they do them in like different ways that are kind of deceptive,

like loading a a pixel that lives on a server or something like that.

I was like, what would it look like?

And I know there's some services out there that that claim to be like very um on the up and up with respect to uh user privacy and and consent and things like that.

But I've looked into some of those and and even then,

they're they're you know still doing like,

you know, hidden pixel tracking.

It's like, no,

people view a web page and if a pixel is loaded that they can't even see and then that visit is is tracked somewhere,

that there's no real like actual consent to that.

There's I don't know. it's I this probably sounds like the most nitpicky thing,

the the like most pathetic hill to die on,

but but I do think it's important that that we treat people's web activity um with a lot of respect and a lot of care.

Um so I was doodling around looking at things one day and learned about this thing called the Beacon API,

which is a browsing standard.

It's sort of baked into every browser and has been for several years now.

And it literally exists for this purpose.

It exists for sending an asynchronous piece of data to another server specifically for tracking purposes.

And so it makes it really easy for people to configure their browsers to not send that.

If you don't want to be tracked,

then you can turn that off.

And I think in some browsers it's actually turned off by default.

And I was like, what would it look like to build uh a web stat tracking thing that just uses that alone,

fully respects people,

doesn't try to do anything sneaky,

doesn't try to you know record something in a weird way or or fake it with a with an image that doesn't exist.

Um and that's where neat stats um sort of emerged.

So still have a few finishing touches to put on it,

but I've been testing it myself for a while now,

a few months. Um it's working really well.

It's a lot of fun. It's going to have a nice a few nice little fun features um that will uh kind of go along with it.

It should launch really soon,

next couple weeks, I think.

And then I've also been working on for a bit longer than Neat Stats now,

I've been working on a service called DNS Kitchen,

which is an attempt,

another slow motion attempt at making DNS kind of fun.

Um and uh I know,

it's it's ambitious.

Um but uh you just said DNS and fun in the same sentence.

I know, I know. I'm uh I'm I'm working on it.

it's a bit of a challenge. that's gonna come out at some point,

probably early 2027,

um, that'll be ready for people to use.

I've actually been I I hate the term dog fooding,

but um but I've been dog fooding it with actually with Omgolol and basically every web thing I do has been using um DNS Kitchens uh name servers and um and all of the omgol and rad dad rad dad's another thing i run i almost forgot about rad dad um it's crazy uh but that's that's all using the dns kitchen api and um,

but yeah, the thing about DNS Kitchen is um without touching any AI at all,

just using like old school um chatbot techniques involving um like entity classification and intent identification and I'm trying to sound fancier than I'm capable of sounding.

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

But um but it's it's some of the stuff that before the GPTs came about and disrupted everything.

People were making chatbots with with these other techniques where you sort of pull out keywords from something and map that against a a a known table of of topics.

Um so I'm kind of building this chat interface for managing DNS where you can,

you know, conversationally say something like,

hey, I need a,

you know, uh, I have a new email provider and this is what they gave me and you just like paste in your you know the the mx stuff and it just says okay cool no problem and sets up the records for you so um that's not ready yet but it's uh it's actually working better than I kind of thought I'd be able to get it to work.

So I'm really encouraged by that.

I'm excited about that. So yeah,

DNS kitchen at some point.

It's going to take DNS by storm and hopefully delight a ton of people over what's usually not a very delightful thing.

I'm amazed that you can wrangle with and work with this stuff because I'm pretty sure and I'm not exaggerating,

whenever I had to engage with DNS,

it's the stupidest I've ever felt in my life.

We're gonna change that. I don't know what's going on.

We are absolutely gonna change that.

It's uh it's that's designed to make you feel stupid.

That was actually that was the rec like the when they put out the the spec they're like s line one make sure people feel hella dumb when they try to do anything with this yeah and then and then you have to wait a while as everything you know you only have to wait between thirty seconds and twenty-seven days.

Yeah. Anywhere in between there,

and it should be fine.

Should be fine.

No, I wasn't like I might just say the kitchen.

I wasn't with DNS recently.

No, I sure wasn't. That's not why I'm angry right now.

Sorry. DNS Kitchen's gonna fix that though.

I hope. I'm gonna try.

It's uh I I also really wanna focus on a lot of educational stuff.

There's I know there's a lot of things out there.

A lot of people have done a great job of of trying to make DNS um kind of explain it in simpler ways.

And there's a company out there called um DN Simple or DNS Simple.

I don't DNS I M P-L-E.

Um they made a like a fun webcomic that explains DNS.

Folks have been doing a lot of really great things,

but but I have uh my own plans,

um kitchen themed plans for uh for explaining DNS in in ways that I think would be a little more approachable and a little easier to understand and fun.

C name has never tasted so good.

You got it. that's the idea.

C name is the wrong ingredient.

You need an alias to really kick this recipe up a notch.

Yeah, it's just it's just rights itself.

We're gonna set a record here in our silence we could keep going.

We're here all week if you need need more ideas.

I just have this visual image of like the kitchen drawer that has all the crap in it.

Do you know what I mean? There's like all the difference like which one's a spatula and you go,

Oh wait, Americans might call something a spatula differently from what anyway,

as long as we don't get in that kind of kitchen drawer mess and it's all you know,

neatly arranged. Mm-hmm.

Oh, I love those text records.

I don't think we've ever been so efficient with the show in our lives.

This hand raising,

this this note stuff,

it's been really good. I don't know.

What do we do with ourselves?

Well, we haven't. That's it. We need we still need to do the icebreaker.

Oh shoot,

we forgot about the icebreaker.

Ah sorry.

Is that customer to do it at the end?

when you bring up the thing people want to do the least.

Perfect. Alright.

I don't know. I've I've been out of the the corporate game for a while,

so I'm not sure.

Here here's my icebreaker.

So uh oh boy. Adam I'm noticing just as the you you the cropping on your little video window.

It looks like you might be wearing a shirt that says to me has a bit of an Australianism to it.

And I'm wondering if it's the same.

it says I can read frog and toad.

Frog and Toad, yeah.

Now in Australia that would be something you would say in a particular context,

but I'm unsure whether you are wearing it in that same way or if this is different in Louisville.

this is the title of a beloved uh series of children's books um about a literal frog and a toad and their friendship.

Um so yeah no no deeper meaning or anything like that.

Just throw back to my childhood.

That is very hemispheric in this show's context and wholesome.

Thank you. I don't know. Yeah,

what is it? Is it bleeping?

Martin, do you know what it is?

I think so, but I want to hear it from you.

He's digging himself in this hole,

so he can do it. In Australia,

you would say if you've been if you're getting to the end of something,

it's time to go home.

You'd say it's time to hit the frog and toad.

No way. Yeah,

because it rhymes with Because it rhymes with Rode.

Oh, I forgot that you guys do the rhyming slang.

Cockney rhyming?

Yes. It's in kind of thing is I wasn't sure if Andrew's gonna go into some sort of WA weirdness that I wasn't because there is an entire continent like between us and I'm like,

is it the road thing or is it some other weird Perth thing?

I was bracing for something really inappropriate and like you'd have to put a a a warning label on this episode or something.

Jason is raising both of his physical hands and a virtual hand,

so you mean to tell me in the place where you'd go out of your way to overshorten things that don't need to be shortened,

you have taken road and made it much,

much longer into frog and toad Correct.

Is that what's happening?

Correct.

Yes. Yes.

I don't even know what to think about you guys anymore.

And there's always hit you always have to hit the frog and toad.

It's never any other.

I was reading up on rhyming slang recently and it's fascinating.

Like the the rich history.

Apparently a lot of a lot of people's nicknames that like nicknames that you don't know where they come from because like the nickname doesn't really sound like the the real name that the person has.

I'm trying to think of an example now.

Um like uh Richard turning into Dick for instance like apparently there's a rhyming component to that somewhere that I don't recall exactly how it works.

But uh yeah, I guess rhyming slang accounts for some nicknames as well.

Look at that. Ending on just knowledge over knowledge,

just so many things here.

And it's safe to say that in yours,

Adam, you don't hit the frog and toad.

That would be abusive and otherwise wholesome children's toad.

It would be very inappropriate,

yes. Frog and toad are both very gentle,

very sweet characters.

you would not want to hit them.

Whether it's time to go or not.

With that, sh shall we hit the frog and toad?

Not quite. Not quite.

Oh. Okay.

It's time to wrap this corporate call up,

right? Okay, we've done the investment piece,

we've had the raised hands,

we've had the town hall.

Oh wait, I should go on video mute.

There you go. Hang on. Adam.

If people would like to find out more,

where would where would they go to learn about omg.lo.lol or any of the other work that you've talked about today in our show?

Cool. Well, thank you for asking.

Um so omg.lol,

the name is the domain.

Uh so you could literally just type in omg.lol and and get to that and all kinds of information there.

And then my little like personal slash business e website uh lives at Neatnik.net,

which I registered um actually 25 years ago,

just this last month.

Um it was October of 2001.

So Neatnik.net is in its 25th year and it's just as messy and unfinished as it's been uh every step of the way.

But uh but there's stuff to see there,

so people can go there as well.

We have both people that have.NETs on this show right now.

The two people in the world that have.NETs are right here.

My favorite TLD.

There it is. Such a weird one.

It's an honor.

Well, thank you, Adam.

Appreciate it. And um I'm sure we will be hearing more as we release more OMGs.

And Jason,

neat neat nick.net and we're talking to Adam.

We could m we could maybe make a theme and call this show like Neat Vember.

Oh, that's a good idea.

Just thinking. Do you want to it could be maybe like annual?

Could be.

Could be. Could be under something.

I'm just throwing I mean, you know, I'm just I'm I'm just workshopping,

just blue sky solutionering here.

But let's save let's save some of our ideas for post acquisition..

Okay No,

you don't want you don't want to yeah,

you want that to be as low as possible.

You wanna you wanna buy low,

sell high. Correct.

That's what you want to do there.

Yeah. We'll have the term sheet over to you shortly,

Adam. Term sheet.

Well, uh I I look forward to it.

In a in a word docx.

Of course. That's the only way to that's the only way to send a business document.

Yes, we've turned it around a business corner once again.

Oh, and with that, we're countdown in three,

two, one.

Business.