Nick Clason (00:05.271) Well what is up everybody? Here we are with the mad scientist himself, Josh B the hoodie wearing, Josh Boldman. Josh Boldman (00:12.642) Mm-hmm. You know, I actually almost didn't wear a hoodie this morning and then I was like, I think I've had a hoodie on for every live stream basically ever, and so of my life. And was like, if I didn't have a hoodie on, I feel like that would have been the primary like opening conversation. But here's what's crazy, is it's it still is. Like so I wouldn't I avoided nothing. Nick Clason (00:21.545) Of your life. I think I'm convinced you just live in a hoodie. Nick Clason (00:35.925) Well and here's the thing, it's one hundred and eight today outside this window, so all of my hoodies are collecting dust. Like I wear long pants on Sundays, and that's it. So Josh Boldman (00:40.89) That's true. Mm-hmm. Yeah, dude, it this summer Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. No, I feel that. I feel that. But yes, in in in Chicagoland it is right now in the like seventies. So it's not bad, but it's not good. Air conditioning for days. Yep. Nick Clason (00:57.153) Brother But you have air conditioning, so you're like Yeah. Yeah. Alright my guy, so I'm bringing you in because I feel as though this is not hyperbole. You have done nothing but look at sidekick for the last six months of your life. Is that a correct assessment? Josh Boldman (01:05.284) Mm-hmm. Yes. Josh Boldman (01:15.012) That is fair. That is that is fair to the extreme. I feel like even if you went all the way back to when I was in youth ministry and DYM first released DYM Games and Sidekick Legacy, I was not on the team and I but I feel like I put I I I still feel like that time counts in some way. So like I I feel like I've put in I'll say a collective years of time looking at running Nick Clason (01:27.339) And you weren't even on the team. You weren't even working for them, yeah. Josh Boldman (01:44.462) and trying to make sidekick do the thing I want it to do. Nick Clason (01:47.511) This little arrow right here on the sidekit, like that will be on your tombstone. That will be your legacy. That's what you'll be known for. With the rainbow wheel. Josh Boldman (01:53.066) yeah, I hope so. I h and I hope it's like spinning. Like I hope it's like yeah, I mean and I hope that obviously my tombstone I hope it's so far in the future that it's a hologram of some kind. Like a you know, I mean so it's not like soon, but you know. Nick Clason (02:08.16) There's a like there's people could come up to it, scan a QR code and rank your accomplishments. Yes. Josh Boldman (02:12.384) that'd be great. Take a pole. Yeah. Nick Clason (02:17.058) yeah. So I have done my own due diligence and now I want to share my work with you, okay? And so this is a little bit of me versus you. and we're just gonna work through each of my categories, okay? And I I have a question for you. Four four questions, four or five questions. You have the chance to either get 10 points, or if I stump you, I Josh Boldman (02:17.189) That's so good. Josh Boldman (02:25.591) Okay. I'm so excited about this. Josh Boldman (02:32.549) Okay. Mm-hmm mm-hmm. Nick Clason (02:45.6) get ten points, okay? And there's only one way to do that obviously, and that is through like us keeping track of the leaderboard. And as you see right now it's zero to zero. And I f I feel like the only way to maybe do this is to two column view it, right? Because that's my contribution. I feel the most proud of two column view in Sidekick. That's that's me. I'm angling for three column view next summer, but Josh Boldman (02:46.714) okay, great. Yeah. Josh Boldman (02:56.345) That's right. Zero zero. Josh Boldman (03:02.415) Yeah, I think because because you can. It's fair. It's so good. So good. you should. You absolutely should. We'll get it. We'll get there. Yeah. I wanna say though, I mean, even already, this looks so smooth. Like I'm just I'm blown away by like the just just the the overall professionalness, the the it's the media quality. It's so good. It's so good. Yeah. Apple silicon really coming through. you c you can tell. Nick Clason (03:14.828) We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Okay. Nick Clason (03:24.928) Well we're not we're not in a browser anymore. Let's put it that way. Let's put it that way. Nick Clason (03:34.786) So here here's the first question for you, okay? So I took every feature, which probably by the time this releases, you're going to have released more features. Okay, so I'm going to be antiquated. Josh Boldman (03:38.629) Alright, what you got? Josh Boldman (03:44.773) I can tell you that the answer to that question is yes. By the time this releases, we will have released a new feature. And I'm very excited about it. Nick Clason (03:52.685) Do you do you wanna talk about like while we're here? Like before we dive into it? Like what's on the horizon? This is gonna release in like five weeks, my guy. You that's the type of runway yeah, f Josh Boldman (03:58.691) Man, I would Okay, in five weeks? So like beg end of September, beginning October, somewhere around there? Okay. Well, I you know what? Here okay, here's what I'll do. Is I w I would just say that really the question that's rattling around in my head that I have to answer internally is Josh Boldman, would you rather tell people now what's coming or wait until it's released? And right now. Nick Clason (04:08.225) Yeah, that's it. Josh Boldman (04:31.065) For me, the answer to that would you rather question is I will wait until it's released. That's that's what I'm gonna say. Nick Clason (04:35.477) Nick Clason (04:41.762) There you go. I feel like you would be the type of boss that like I could bait into telling stuff that like I shouldn't know, but like you Josh Boldman (04:48.079) Yes. One a hundred percent. I I wanna be clear, no one on the team has been given permission in any way to share any of what I just said, and they don't know. They don't know that I just did that. And by the time this it releases, I'm gonna be straight up honest, I will have forgotten that I said it, and so then someone else will see it and they'll be like, What did you say? And I was like, yeah. It's all good. It's fun. Yeah. Nick Clason (04:57.41) That's hilarious. Nick Clason (05:07.2) Yeah. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. All tens of these listeners will will keep keep it a secret. To their holographic grave. Alright, so the first question I have for you is the fur we ranked four different four different categories. So I gave them different titles, okay? These aren't titles that you these aren't titles that sidekick me, these are titles I came up with. Alright. So the first question I have for you, ten points on the line, you either get it or you don't. What do you think this Josh Boldman (05:19.567) Correct. Mm-hmm. Yes. Josh Boldman (05:26.885) Okay. Great. Right. Love it. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (05:41.186) category is titled simply based off of these icons. Josh Boldman (05:47.759) This is titled legacy features. Nick Clason (05:55.457) Hmm. Judges, let's get the judges in here to take a look at this. I we're gonna give you we're gonna give you ten points. The official title is Returning Legends, but that feels close enough, right? And I'm feeling generous, I guess, is what I'm really coming down to. So Josh Boldman (06:04.23) Yeah okay. Yes Yes, huh Uh-huh. Josh Boldman (06:12.249) I like that. I I I appreciate your generosity. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (06:16.284) Yeah, so question for you, out of these, which one do you think took the cake as the highest rated feature out of the returning legends category? Nick Clason (06:32.822) Why don't or why don't you maybe share like which ones you are the most proud of or you looked forward to returning? Josh Boldman (06:39.981) Yeah, so for me, probably the one that I look most forward to returning. All right, so boxes for sure, because boxes was something that we wanted in sidekick beta so badly. Like so so badly. And to tell you that every time we like we had it ready, like it was ready, but every time we would make it available, it would bring everything else to a grinding halt. And so it was like Nick Clason (07:08.586) Mm. Josh Boldman (07:08.889) I would say boxes for me only because we were so close to having it inside kick beta. but the other one, the other one for sure is Survey Says. Like that just it we used Survey Says in our ministry like very sparingly, but when we used it, we created an entire event out of it. And it was so fun. We did the full, you know. Nick Clason (07:15.444) Yeah, like ready to go. Nick Clason (07:33.547) Yeah. Josh Boldman (07:36.825) the full game show feel. Like I wore a ridiculously large suit, like to host said game show. Like it was I did not I felt like that was taking it one step too far. But it was it was Nick Clason (07:44.716) Did you put it on a mustache to like emulate Steve Harvey? I ca I w think I might concur. Josh Boldman (07:54.243) Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, that that would not have gone well. but what we always would do is we would we would give out surveys to the students for weeks ahead of time. And like so, but by the time we actually got to the event, the goal was and we do it like sometimes even six months out. Like, and so the the idea was by the time they got to the event, they forgot what the questions even were. And so it was you were not just saying who are a hundred random people. Nick Clason (07:57.995) Yeah. Nick Clason (08:06.135) Yeah. Nick Clason (08:17.941) yeah. Josh Boldman (08:21.785) What do they say? But this is literally like, what did you say? And it was so much fun. I mean, just so so much fun. And then of course I'd say leaderboard, just because it's like it's a clutch staple. Like every every week we would have some sort of team game. And then over the summer, we w we would do this, we we did our our big summer like competition. We called it red versus blue. And it was great because the red teams had blue t-shirts and the blue team had red t-shirts. And it was the most Nick Clason (08:27.105) Yeah. Nick Clason (08:44.482) Ha ha Nick Clason (08:50.422) That is just diabolical. Josh Boldman (08:52.033) im i it was infuriatingly confusing and be I because I'd be like, red team on this side and not only did the red team go to that side, but also everyone wearing a red shirt went to that side, so they're all on that side I was like, No no no no no. it's it was great but it was so good to be able to like keep points regular like throughout the night. So yeah, but I love it I love it because now you can keep track of scores over the course of multiple weeks and it just it holds those score like it's it's legit. Nick Clason (09:08.832) Yeah. yeah. Nick Clason (09:20.884) And then like in like s no no, I well, I mean, I ranked every single one. One did s a top and I'll I'll share with you at the end of this which one it was. But I would say in so many ways what makes Sidekick Pro so great is that all of these things are back. Like all of these things that we all loved about Legacy have returned. And there's an upgrade there's like some of them have upgrades, major upgrades in some cases. so yeah, like it's Josh Boldman (09:20.931) So do have to pick one? Okay. You re okay. Okay, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (09:38.745) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (09:48.815) Yeah. Yeah. Adding Nick Clason (09:49.984) That it's it's crazy to have this like brand new software and it's like everything that we love about it is just that like it's stuff that we've always known and loved and we just have missed. Josh Boldman (09:58.403) Yeah, and that was something we worked we worked so hard to make sure that when we added something that we weren't taking something away, like we weren't like ruining it. you know, it's like every new flavor of Oreo, and you're like, just give me the Oreo, man. Like, just stop it. Like, but this, like when we added AI to Survey says, to boxes, when we added the honestly, and it's such a small whip, but the the boxes emoji thing where it automatically picks the Nick Clason (10:07.138) Mm. Nick Clason (10:13.184) Yeah, bro. Yeah. Josh Boldman (10:26.838) like the best most like closest emoji is just so fun. I mean it's so, so fun. And so yeah, so I I really feel like the I mean even what it would pixelate, you know or Photo Fury, like they're they're such minor updates, but they make it so much more fun to to do overall. So yeah, I yeah, I'm Nick Clason (10:28.091) Yeah. Yep. Nick Clason (10:40.652) Yeah. Nick Clason (10:44.906) Yeah. to I'll say like the one of the reasons I think Survey says does so well is its AI and intuition like ranking, right? So okay, that's literally just question one. So are you ready for question two? All right, so the next category is called the staples category, okay? Josh Boldman (10:54.796) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (11:00.704) Okay. I am ready for question two. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (11:08.13) Yeah. huh, yep. Nick Clason (11:09.418) So these are what I would consider the five like staples, like the the must haves of sidekick between things that were around even through the beta era, as well as things that are just like maybe a little boring, but like you use them like pretty often. Okay. So I have just one question for you. Do you have your phone? Josh Boldman (11:24.888) Yeah. All the time. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (11:32.684) Do have my ph yes I do. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (11:34.69) Yeah, because I'm gonna need you to scan this QR code and I'm gonna need you to rank these five things in your particular like ranking system, okay? What how would you rank these five Josh Bullman? Josh Boldman (11:36.837) my gosh. my gosh. Josh Boldman (11:50.157) my gosh. All right. Nick Clason (11:53.698) Do you feel like the tables have been turned? Josh Boldman (11:55.821) It is remarkable. I'm like, man, do I need I need to do okay, yeah, I can do this. my gosh. Nick Clason (12:01.01) Yeah. Josh Boldman (12:06.052) There we go. Josh Boldman (12:13.73) Alright. This is the best the best kind of podcast is the Dead Era that's happening right now. I I love this part. all right, so I'm gonna say all right, so these are this is me ranking them or is this me saying what I think you ranked them? Nick Clason (12:20.34) Yeah, don't worry. Nick Clason (12:28.17) No no, this is this is actually no no. I'm sorry. I would like you to try and rank how you think I would have ranked them. And here's why the here's why I don't think this is unfair. w you and me, we talked a lot during during the sidekick pro development era. So I feel like you got a pretty decent read on what mattered to me, what I was asking for. You know what I mean? Like what I cared about, the features that I was requesting. Josh Boldman (12:36.58) Okay, how you ranked them? Josh Boldman (12:45.016) Yes. Uh-huh. Nick Clason (12:58.114) or was letting you know about. So I I'm hoping that you're able to yeah, okay. Now Josh Boldman (13:01.124) All right. Okay. I this is what I think you did. Nick Clason (13:07.404) Talk out loud. Give me give me give me some of your basis and your analysis. Josh Boldman (13:08.746) Okay. Alright, so countdown loop is because I I think of any feature on this list that we talked about like if we talked about that one the most, and I will tell everybody listening, again, b both both people listening right now, I will tell them that I'm sorry. Nick Clason (13:24.642) You your mom and my mom. Josh Boldman (13:28.228) We started when we were doing the live streams during Goldmember Week, we started just saying, like, my goodness, to the 20,000 people listening, like, we don't know. it wasn't anywhere close to that. But but so countdown loops is one that you had a just a specific hand in helping shape. Like, okay, because you're like, this is what I've been trying to do in ProPresenter for forever. It does not do it well. And I was like, what if we just made it work exactly like what you were hoping for? All the media in a row, image. Nick Clason (13:36.544) Yeah. Nick Clason (13:46.102) Mm. Josh Boldman (13:58.294) videos great they loop and you can put a timer anywhere it counts down to a time or a like an like an actual time like so 7 p.m or 30 minutes or whatever it is and it just works really well Nick Clason (14:11.23) Well, and to to pull behind the curtains a little bit, everybody, I think it was a Sunday morning, I took a picture of our presentation like a TV in our lobby or our our projectors and I texted it to you and I was like, How feasible do you think it would be? And I'm pretty sure by lunch you had you're like, Okay, I added it, go test it. I'm like, Brother man. This is why mad scientist Josh Boldman here. Josh Boldman (14:18.423) Uh-huh. Josh Boldman (14:24.228) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (14:29.712) huh. Yeah. Give it a shot. Yes. Uhhuh. Yeah, and that's where okay, when people When people are looking at like sidekick beta and they're wondering why like development was so slow, it literally is because everything we changed changed everything else. Like it was just everything was so because it all is loaded in a web page, like yeah. The great thing about Sidekick Pro is like we've been able to it's the ability to add new stuff or to make tweaks without it breaking everything else has been incredible. And so being able to to do that Nick Clason (14:49.014) Hm. Intertwined, yeah. Josh Boldman (15:08.14) so much faster than we we had been able to do it before is is just a huge, huge win. I'm gonna say slides a second because just because I know that you use this a lot. Like 'cause it it is, it's every t it and again, it is it's the most boring feature. Nick Clason (15:10.027) Yeah. Nick Clason (15:20.266) Yeah. Who doesn't use it a lot? You have to use it. Yeah. Josh Boldman (15:25.484) Plain and simple. It is boring, but it does what you drag your your slides for your your teaching series, you drag your, you know, whatever it's the the slide in between games or what like any of that kind of stuff, you've gotta have it. and it's and and it's gotta work well. And so we really tried to make sure that we could ha it can handle everything you throw at it, but also that you can add, you know, a text box and you can add a video or an image as a you know as a layer. on top of other stuff. Like, is it gonna be your full-fledged, you know, PowerPoint keynote Photoshop? Yeah, I can't no, of course not. But it does the thing that you need it to do and it does it really well. yeah. Uh-huh. Nick Clason (16:01.13) Editing sweet, yeah. Nick Clason (16:08.05) And in a pinch. Like it'll work in a pinch if you're like, that that time is wrong. I can just like put in a a layer on top of it and kinda like fix it on the fly. You might not go in there to fully like get in the lab and cook up a a cool graphic, but yeah. Okay. Josh Boldman (16:13.154) Yes. Right. Mm-hmm. Yep. Josh Boldman (16:21.441) Right. Yeah, for sure. I think Pick me would be next over Wheel of Destiny, because I think generally I know your group is bigger than you like the number of wedges on a Wheel of Destiny are. So like if you're picking students, it's not gonna be their names on a wheel, it's gonna be names on Pick Me. and then I think songs is last, but I don't like I this makes it seem like it's like dead last. I think it's last of these five, because it was probably the most recent. Nick Clason (16:37.536) Yeah. Nick Clason (16:43.052) Right. Josh Boldman (16:54.757) That you were able to start using because the one of the things early on Nick had you told me was like our our worship guys don't want to do it if it doesn't have a a confidence monitor. And so we were like, Okay, all right, challenge accepted. but I still think yeah, I would say of these five I would put it last. Maybe. Now I'm second guessing everything. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (16:58.581) Yeah. Nick Clason (17:08.812) Yeah. Ha ha ha. Nick Clason (17:17.002) Yeah, okay, ready? Here I'm gonna No, it's okay. It's good. I'm these are gonna I'm gonna reveal to you my rankings, okay? So you went countdown, slides, pick me, wheel, songs. How I ranked, and I'm trying to be objective, okay? Is I ranked here they are, wheel, countdown loop, pick me, slides, songs. Now remember Josh Boldman (17:24.629) Okay. Josh Boldman (17:28.608) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (17:32.565) Right, absolutely. For sure. Wow Okay, okay Nick Clason (17:42.262) The three categories were ease, intuition, and operation. So some of them sort of like demanded that they had to be not just like, here's Nick Clayson's favorite, you know, ones or whatever. So Josh Boldman (17:43.831) Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. yeah, ease. Yeah. Josh Boldman (17:52.588) Right, right, right. Yeah. I can definitely see wheel wheel being tops for ease. Like it just it out of the box and y you know what it does and it does it really well. I can totally see that. Yeah. Ooh, a tie. A tie for pick me and slides. Okay, all right. Nick Clason (17:58.262) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's so easy. It's so easy. We're tied now. We're tied. Yeah. We're no no. Yeah, it that's tied as well as we are tied, which is probably the most important part. Whether you do two column or one column, tied. Okay, so the next the next question I have for you, that was question two. Question three. Question three is this is the thumbnail of the third episode. Josh Boldman (18:12.973) We are tied. There is a lot on the line here. Mm it's the same. Yep. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (18:23.595) Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Yep. Josh Boldman (18:29.856) Okay. Nick Clason (18:30.106) And I say, this is one of the statements I say in the episode. I've already edited it, it's already in the can. Says this will change the way that youth passers make games for the rest of their lives. The question is, what am I referring to? Josh Boldman (18:42.739) Yeah. Josh Boldman (18:48.011) I'm going to say AI live trivia or AI trivia. Nick Clason (18:56.662) Yes, that's exactly correct. That's exactly correct. The a it has to be, right? There's no there's that is the answer. And I I actually mean it. Because not only is it easy to create the game through AI Live Trivia, but live trivia is amazing. Like the actual gameplay is actually so fun. Like every time we do it, it is an actual blast in our room to Josh Boldman (18:58.177) Yes Yes Yes Yeah, huh. It's it's so easy now. Yeah, yeah. Josh Boldman (19:11.757) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (19:15.573) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (19:22.869) Im yeah. Nick Clason (19:23.038) Show the leaderboard after every single question, like it like it's the stakes feel so high. Josh Boldman (19:27.455) Imagine okay, so like imagine let's let's go back in a time machine not too long ago, but like the first time that a a kid walked into your your your space with a laboo-boo, okay? Right? And you're like, I don't know what that is, that's crazy. But imagine like you saw it for the very first time, you asked that kid, what in the world is this thing? And they're like, It's a laboo-boo. And then in your service, five minutes later. you played a trivia game about laboo boos. That would be insane. That would be insane. You could do that. Like in five minutes before that you didn't even know what they were. Like or like yeah, just so like the ability to make trivia about Nick Clason (19:59.478) You yeah. But you could now. Nick Clason (20:07.18) Yeah. Josh Boldman (20:13.203) incredibly current events. Like something happens right now, great, let's let's do a trivia about it. Or yeah, or or trivia about your town or about your well, you know, there's just yeah, there's so much that you can do that would take a surprising amount of like research on the front end for you to do it, but now AI makes it just so so super easy. Nick Clason (20:32.862) Yeah. Well and like again, like what I really think like that part's cool. But like we could have done that before. We could have gone to chat, we could have gone to Claude, we could have asked for trivia questions, then we could have gone to Canva and made it. Okay. So that part it all just w weaves right into the gameplay software and you only have to do a minimal amount of like Josh Boldman (20:43.317) Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm. For sure. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (20:56.468) maybe like background design. Like just like theme or or background design type stuff if you w even if you want that. You don't have to have that, right? Some of it's already preloaded for you. But I love the like I love how high the stakes feel in the room when you're playing it. Like round by round by round like and like certain people are like jumping each other and kind of jockeying for the top position of the leaderboard. Like we did like a blind last two nights ago we did like a blind Josh Boldman (20:58.787) Sure. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (21:10.483) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Josh Boldman (21:16.183) Yeah. And Nick Clason (21:24.586) you have to feel in the box and feel what it is. So that's like s seven contestants to the front, they had to feel something and then guess what it is. But we added live trivia to it so that the crowd could participate and be like, is what are they feeling based on their like reactions or what they're saying? Like it's an easy way to like do a contestant based game but let everyone still play. You see what I'm saying? Like it's that type of stuff. Like it's so next level. Josh Boldman (21:28.033) yeah, yeah. huh. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (21:36.619) So good. So good. Josh Boldman (21:43.276) that's cool. Josh Boldman (21:48.258) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. I I have always really enjoyed the games where you have one student or a a small number of students playing a game. But it's almost like it's the it's the game inside the game that the whole room is playing, right? So like the I think man, I want to say Matthew McNutt did the game Overunder, where it's like you pick a number, but then the room has to decide, did you go too high or did you go too low? And like I love that kind of stuff because it it it it's a single player game that you figured out how to multiplayer. And like that. Nick Clason (22:04.161) Right. Yes. Yeah. Nick Clason (22:11.2) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick Clason (22:16.641) Yeah. Nick Clason (22:22.998) Yeah. Josh Boldman (22:23.975) that makes it where e just everybody gets to participate. It's a huge win. And so yeah, adding adding voting, adding ranking, adding any of that to a standard one player game just changes the entire room dynamic a hundred percent. Nick Clason (22:27.668) Yeah, for sure. And all the live features have yeah. Yep. Nick Clason (22:38.496) Yeah. Yeah. And I made a game in two thousand seventeen called Up or Down and then Matthew McNutt came in and made more money off of it by creating his. So this is how we do it in the author community. Alright. Question four. We can either end in a tie or you can you can win. And so our three categories so far, just for those keeping score at home, is we've had the returning legends, we've had the staples, and Josh Boldman (22:43.425) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He swooped right in mm mm mm mm mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (22:53.633) Yes. Okay. This could be th I could cement my legacy right here. Josh Boldman (23:05.367) Yes. Uh-huh. Nick Clason (23:06.732) This last category was called live live game, okay? and of one of them in there was Live Trivia. what are, as the creator, can you name the four remaining features that are left in this live voice category? So they're blurred here on screen. So I'm gonna see how well your icon knowledge is. They're all round, Josh, if that helps you. Josh Boldman (23:09.739) Yes. Josh Boldman (23:24.417) Okay. Yeah. huh, yeah they are. Okay. Alright. Yes. Yeah. That does it definitely helps. And just to be clear, earlier I was trying to open sidekick on this screen, but then it covered up the window that's recording, and I saw I closed it. So I can't cheat because I was like, no. So I was I was going to try to cheat and and it it it did it backfired horrendously. Alright, so I'm gonna say keeps yeah, keeps us honest. okay. Nick Clason (23:44.372) No, don't cheat. Don't be a cheater. Sidekick even keeps youth pastors having integrity. That's how Christian it is. Josh Boldman (23:58.123) So I'm gonna go live polls, I'm gonna go live ranking, I'm gonna go live responses and live Nick Clason (24:10.466) Okay. Josh Boldman (24:17.29) Ri is live trivia? Did we say that already? Is that one of That was this one already. We s already said live trivia. So live no. Wait, it's the things you scan it. So I said live ranking, live polls, live live responses and live pick me? Nick Clason (24:19.776) Yeah, that's that remember that was that was this one. That was the revolutionary one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick Clason (24:27.808) Can Nick Clason (24:41.612) Bro, you got it. Live pick me. That was the li that's the green one right there. So Josh Boldman (24:42.818) Did I get it? Yeah. Yeah. Do you w do you wanna know why that was difficult for me? For real? I was trying to remember which ones we had are actually released and which ones we haven't. So in my head I'm like self censoring, like, don't say this one and don't say this one or this one. man. 'Cause again I was like, w yeah, would I rather yeah, so it's a whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Nick Clason (24:51.147) Yeah, why? Nick Clason (24:57.784) Ha ha ha. Nick Clason (25:04.852) Yeah. Nice job. Nick Clason (25:12.15) This really i this really was a test of like how well does a father know his children? like yeah, basically. So congratulations. You you are more superior than I on sidekick, and I would hope that you are. So I wanted you to win, and I'm glad that you did. now what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna reveal to you my winners out of the four categories, okay? So here they are. out of legends. Josh Boldman (25:15.298) That's really what it felt like. I yeah, it was good. This was good. Yeah. man. Josh Boldman (25:30.764) Thank you. That is great. Josh Boldman (25:36.448) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (25:41.559) We have Survey Says. All right, that was number one rank ease intuition operation. Staples, I already told you that one. That was Wheel of Destiny. Live games, again, live trivia, as we sort of alluded to. And then fourth and final, live responses is how I scored it. And then here's the actual scores. Remember five point scale. So ease, intuition, operation. So like survey says, for example, if we just go through these. Josh Boldman (25:43.798) Hundred percent. Hundred percent. Josh Boldman (25:49.056) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (26:03.745) Yeah. Josh Boldman (26:09.259) Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (26:10.294) Four point nine on intuition, like the AI feature, that's what really like set it apart. Like that's what took it to the top above everything else. Wheel of Destiny really is like on operation. I was like, how how much easier can you get than click spin, clear, spit like that's what that's what made it rise the ranks 'cause it was where like songs is awesome but it's a little more involved. And so even though it's awesome, yeah. But it's it's still really easy, but it's like not as easy as Josh Boldman (26:14.112) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (26:24.418) Spin. huh. Yeah, it's just Yep, for sure. Right. Yeah, you have to learn how to use it. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (26:39.648) Yeah, hundred percent. Hundred percent. Nick Clason (26:40.022) wheel, you know what saying? Like stuff like that. Live trivia, like I the intuition, the AI like you were talking about, but also the operation, like we kind of didn't talk about that, but like all you do is the person they click like a blue button and 'cause it's kind of complicated in the middle feature there, it bounces from like the the lobby and then to the question, then to the leaderboard, then to question two, then to the you know I mean Josh Boldman (26:54.358) Yeah, next. Next. Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (27:05.48) And so but the person all they gotta do is just click next and it like dummy proofs it. And so and then of course live responses, which I feel like is th your crown jewel and like the the thing that you probably should if you're not, you should be the most proud of. Josh Boldman (27:08.598) Next. Mm-hmm. Yep. Josh Boldman (27:13.548) Yeah. Mm-hmm. It is Josh Boldman (27:20.862) I am unbelievably proud of live response. Okay, so so something I have not really talked a whole lot about. So I am in the middle of writing my dissertation for a doctoral program and from through Asbury Theological Seminary, which hope graduating May 2027. Like it's it's coming up. It's coming up. but my whole thing is about Nick Clason (27:41.174) Let's go. Josh Boldman (27:45.491) have we potentially missed an opportunity to give students the ability to voice their doubts and concerns and questions and even like disagreement and and in instead we've pushed them towards certainty. Like we just want them to say, hey, these are the things we believe. Are we certain about that? Yes. Check you in. Right? And what I think we may be missing in that is giving students an opportunity to ask those questions. If they don't do it here Nick Clason (28:06.06) Yeah. Josh Boldman (28:15.28) in a safe environment where we love them and where we we know that we can continue to shepherd them toward the truth, that then they're gonna ask those questions anywhere and everywhere else where people may not have that that same that same goal of seeing them continue to to grow as Christ followers, right? So what that's a lot of where a lot of this feature came from was making sure that that we had the ability to give every student a voice. Nick Clason (28:33.643) Yeah. Josh Boldman (28:45.156) And to give every student the ability to ask a question anonymously without judgment and then letting well and it's not even like without judgment, because there is like voting, right? So, but one of the things that I remember you know just wanting to be able to ask a question and then not asking it because I was afraid that everybody else would think that I was the person that was either not a part of the in-crowd or I somehow I was trying to sabotage everything or whatever. Nick Clason (28:45.921) Yeah. Nick Clason (28:56.576) Right. Nick Clason (29:12.93) Hm. Josh Boldman (29:15.276) And so then I just didn't ask the questions. And what I think this does is it gives people the ability, students, to ask the question and then see that there may be other people in the room that have that same question. And and then when that question makes its way to the top and the youth pastor, a youth worker is like, that's a great question. Like instead of like vilifying them, like it just it gives this really, really cool cycle of affirmation that, hey, this is a place where questions are Nick Clason (29:21.042) Yeah. Nick Clason (29:28.449) Yeah. Josh Boldman (29:45.075) not only okay, but they're encouraged and yeah, it's it's a and plus I mean plus then i you can use it to add a really interesting dynamic to all kinds of different stuff like the camp Nick Clason (29:45.322) Allowed. Yeah. Josh Boldman (29:56.445) like the meetings before camp for parents and you don't wanna answer the same question a hundred times, just have them like submit all their questions and then vote and you know so I mean so it it just it there's a practical level too, but I I I just think the idea of giving students a voice that otherwise they don't have that voice or otherwise they're not comfortable enough to exercise that voice, I just think we we can only end up in a better place as a ministry, but also Nick Clason (30:03.105) Yeah. Yeah. Nick Clason (30:12.524) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (30:24.03) for that student specifically to be able to know that they've been heard. Nick Clason (30:27.648) Yeah, and that was an amazing dissertation. So congratulations, you should just like get your doctorate. And then like but on the tech and nerdy side of it, like being able to moderate from my phone feature and highlight them on the stage, like with just like my cell phone, not relying on like a tech operator who might be like younger and all those types of things is one of the reasons why not only not only do I love the chance to do this, but Josh Boldman (30:32.138) I'm trying, dude. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (30:47.361) Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (30:55.062) How it runs in the background. It keeps the responses that were already there or you can like reset them. Like you don't loot like you don't have to be on that slide and all the kids have to scan it and ask their questions right then and there, which ends up being like a all right, like we're gonna give you like two minutes to do that. Like you can it can run in the background. Josh Boldman (31:01.846) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (31:08.62) Yeah. Yeah. I haven't even You haven't even seen this feature. So it right now, like as of the time of this recording, if you do this, it the next time you open it, it will show you like you can download a spreadsheet of all the responses. but by the time this comes out, you will be able to, for every live feature, you'll be able to see the past 90 days of responses. So, like, you'll be able to see all the questions that were asked, and you'll be able to see like the results of all the polls and results of all the rankings. Nick Clason (31:26.731) Yeah. Nick Clason (31:36.499) nice. Josh Boldman (31:44.228) rankings and stuff that you've done. so yeah, so just know that that's like I said to anyone watching this now, it's already out. Like that's just a part of it. But for anybody that that like you and me, just know that it's coming real real soon. It's very cool. Yeah. Nick Clason (31:48.522) It's crazy. Nick Clason (31:52.577) Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Well, mostly just me, 'cause you already know, 'cause you're you're the mad scientist. So all right. So what I I wanna give you two last chances here, before we kind of round this out, 'cause you're gonna crown the ultimate like champion, like the number one. But the first thing as you look at my scores, is there anything that you'd like to rebut to me? Josh Boldman (32:01.31) I know, I already knew it. Yeah. Josh Boldman (32:08.361) Okay, yes. Josh Boldman (32:13.765) sweet. Okay, okay. Josh Boldman (32:20.577) Whoo! Nick Clason (32:21.876) like looking at it that you're like, I disagree and I would like to give you a piece of my mind. Josh Boldman (32:24.883) Right. Okay, I love it. let's see. I'm gonna go Josh Boldman (32:37.109) I man, I'm I'm torn 'cause I like I I see that four point one under Survey Says and I'm like, come on now. And then I'm like, actually no, that that's fair. Like 'cause it it is. It's it's it like you have to already know how the Survey Says game mechanic works. Like you have to understand what is it that we're doing and and you know, you're a hundred people survey, you're trying to get the top answers. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (32:44.896) Yeah. Yeah. Nick Clason (33:01.596) And you can't like unlike trivia, you can't AI generate the whole game. You have to AI generate it per question. Right? So like if you're not doing AI and if you're not doing AI generation, add a question, go it like it's just a lot of like click through, adding points, you know what I mean? Like it's it's involved as it probably needs to be. it didn't take away from the obviously overall ranking as it still sits atop here. Josh Boldman (33:07.526) Right, yeah. Mm-hmm. Per question, yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (33:19.177) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hundred percent. Yeah. Josh Boldman (33:28.075) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nick Clason (33:28.626) above everything else that it was going up against in the Returning Legends. but that's why ease is like a little down, but intuition is so high off the charts 'cause it like really what who ha if you don't have time to do fifty surveys, you can just AI generate it and it's fantastic. Josh Boldman (33:42.484) Right. Mm-hmm. Now, okay, so here here's the the what I will c ask you is more of a generic I'm looking at this, I know that it's on a scale of one to five. There are no fives? Like w where you landed four point nine five different times? And w and you were like, no, I can't even do it once. I can't I can't give a single five. Nick Clason (33:54.156) Correct. Nick Clason (34:03.863) Well, listen, Sidekick is not a pro like a program it it will be, I think, but currently it's not in heaven. And so nothing can be perfect on this side of eternity. And so that's I four point nine was essentially the highest I gave, in fairness. Josh Boldman (34:10.237) Yeah. huh. Correct. Yes. Nothing on this side. Yeah, that's fair. That Josh Boldman (34:20.457) You you would be that professor that says, you know, on the essay, amazing work, 99, and circle it and yeah, right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I yeah, okay, and maybe that's the question I would ask you. Of those five four point nines, if you had to change one of them to a five, what would you what would you pick? Nick Clason (34:28.544) Yeah, but if I'm you, right, if I'm you, I'm like, brother, give me a five here. Like, throw me a bone. Nick Clason (34:40.79) Mm. Let's see. I would have to pick of the so we got intuition here on survey says intuition on live trivia, operation on live trivia, operation of live response, operation of wheel of destiny. I mean, Wheel of Destiny is really easy to give a five-two. It's so s on operation. Josh Boldman (35:07.295) Yeah, I agree. Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (35:10.07) But the one I think I'm the most passionate about is the operation of live responses. It is it's not necessarily the most simple, but it works really, really well. And it it solves a lot of problems as far as like QR code running in the background, a moderator on a cell phone off to the side. Like a there's a lot of parts and pieces. And what it does for like our group, which I've told you this a billion times, it's just really, really fantastic responses from students. Like it Josh Boldman (35:19.455) Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (35:33.728) Yeah. Nick Clason (35:38.974) It's worth it, I think. So I probably would give that one a five. Josh Boldman (35:40.322) Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think for me with with the operation on live responses, like it is I I would say of all the features, it is the potentially most complicated, right? Like, because there are a lot of things happening and they can also happen in the background. Nick Clason (35:54.058) Mm. Josh Boldman (35:59.238) And you've got you know, you have to have people paying attention and so I mean like there is a lot going on. But what I I and again, you feel like seriously feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Like, but you did say four point nine, so I'm assuming that I'm right on this, is is we took a very complicated thing and made it not easy, but we made it as as easy as it could be. Like it or yeah, yeah, the goal was to not Nick Clason (36:05.452) Yeah. Nick Clason (36:13.731) Ha ha ha. Nick Clason (36:22.946) as as accessible as possible. Yeah, for sure. Josh Boldman (36:27.581) you d we didn't want you to have to read like a whole like user manual, you know, to be able to to run it. Nick Clason (36:31.82) Right. Josh Boldman (36:35.775) But we also wanted it to still do the things that it can do. And those things are complicated. And so it's a there was a even on our team when I was, you know, f first walking through it with everybody, like 'cause it it is already like man, I wish everyone could see like the first iteration of each of these. because it would be very different from what you see now. but with with live responses especially, it was like, how do we make this like this is Nick Clason (36:58.272) Yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (37:05.819) it has to have these features. So how do we make it usable? And and it was hard conversations. Like I mean just an one like huge shout out to the DYM team because one of the things that they know that I do very often is say what I think even when the rest of the room might disagree. And so we've really tried to cultivate an environment on our team where that is not just okay for me. Nick Clason (37:09.708) Yeah. Nick Clason (37:27.841) Yeah. Josh Boldman (37:35.812) But okay for everyone. And I also try to rein it in a little bit. You know, so like it's so it's not just a hey, let's all argue, but like it's I I know that my default is to be like, but this is right, and this is how we need to do it. And so I specifically I'll say for live responses, Josh Griffin and Jess Sanchez were Nick Clason (37:37.536) Yeah. Nick Clason (37:47.744) Yeah. Josh Boldman (37:57.81) instrumental in in helping us like find some rough edges in it that were like this the feature's good, it just doesn't make sense yet. And it's like, okay, let's let's get there. And and and so being able to really go through that it has been incredible. So yeah, the the team, top notch. Nick Clason (37:59.266) Hm. Nick Clason (38:07.734) Mm. Nick Clason (38:13.184) Yeah, that's cool. Nick Clason (38:17.992) So what we'll do here then is we'll we'll we'll throw you that bone that you're looking for. So with add it going from 4.9 to 5.0 on live responses, that turns this live response up to 140. gives you one one extra point there. so here's here's how it sits, okay, on our on my leaderboard. What the last thing I'm gonna let you do before you crown one, is I would like you to Josh Boldman (38:20.265) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (38:24.543) Okay, okay. Josh Boldman (38:36.297) All right. Josh Boldman (38:39.743) Okay. Nick Clason (38:47.362) get have an opportunity, I guess you don't have to, but is there one that got left out that I'll let you like throw in an honorable mention? Right? Like what what's one feature that you would like to see on here that's currently not on here? Josh Boldman (38:50.303) Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (38:57.128) Yeah, yeah. Josh Boldman (39:02.931) I'm gonna go with live ranking. because I feel like live response or I'm sorry, live voting was game changing. No ranking. because I feel like live voting was such a a game changer to be able to poll your entire room very quickly, but all it did was tell you what their favorite thing was. Nick Clason (39:06.7) Okay. Nick Clason (39:13.906) Voting or ranking? Ranking. Josh Boldman (39:27.187) And then you were like, even the people that vote for the last thing, like the fifth thing, there's three people. It's like, okay, so now we know we have three people in the room that like the thing that everyone else hates, but that doesn't tell us anything. So live ranking, the ability for me to say, hey, I like Skittles and then Twizzlers and then MMs and then Snickers, like that like that is I can s like there's a so there's a scenario where everyone in the room Nick Clason (39:27.414) Okay. Nick Clason (39:38.478) Yeah. Josh Boldman (39:56.117) Could vote in a way that they n no one picks Skittles as the number one, but because everyone picked it at number two, it's actually the it's actually the winner. Like so so you're not just singling out, man, who voted for Snickers? You're like, man, we as a room decided Nick Clason (40:04.139) It still wins. Yeah. Yeah. Nick Clason (40:12.371) One or the other, yeah. Nick Clason (40:17.408) Yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (40:17.668) Skittles are best. And like that that is a is a very, very cool like step up from from v just just plain voting. yeah. Nick Clason (40:23.008) Yeah Yes. I agree. Alright, so I'm gonna put you on the spot. Five point scale on ease, what would you give it? you just gonna go fives across the board? Josh Boldman (40:30.741) Yeah. Whew on yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It it takes the it takes the win. okay. live ranking ease, I would say four building it, setting it up. I'd say four point seven. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Whew. Nick Clason (40:39.84) Ha ha ha Nick Clason (40:47.466) Like building it, setting it up on the back end, all that. Nick Clason (40:57.044) Okay. Alright. Not four seventy f forty seven. Alright. Intuition. So the there's no a little bit like AI integration. I think like for this one I would be thinking about like how it weights, you know, so like there's the ability to like do that. I even talked about these with like how you could drag into the middle of your like slide presentations. and I thought that was pretty slick. so, you know, it was a little bit Josh Boldman (41:04.532) How did how did you define this? It was like Josh Boldman (41:12.542) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (41:20.842) Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Nick Clason (41:25.981) A little bit nebulous sometimes, but Josh Boldman (41:26.568) Yeah. Yeah, I would say I I would say I'm gonna go I'm gonna say four point seven again. And the reason that I'm gonna go there is I think Nick Clason (41:33.698) Okay. Josh Boldman (41:36.717) You still need some creativity to make a live ranking make sense. Like, cause you could do it like during your hosting time where you're just like, hey, everybody, rank your favorite candy or whatever. But like, I always imagine this kind of thing being really cool in the middle of a lesson where it's like, okay, we've talked about David and Bathsheba and we've got Jonathan and we've got Saul and like you like I need you to rank these people on how good of a person they actually showed themselves to be. And you're like, yeah like so like that kind of Nick Clason (42:08.97) Yeah. I and I and this is why, dude, I freaking love sidekick, because like, yes, you can rank your favorite candy all day long, but like this is what makes you a more dynamic teacher. Like when you have these tools at your disposal, that's like so different than how we like you don't have to just do this in games and then turn around and bore people with a thirty minute lecture. Josh Boldman (42:15.744) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (42:21.438) Right, yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (42:26.495) Yeah. Josh Boldman (42:32.076) please don't do that. yeah, please. You know, but that but that's the thing, is like I one of the things that I've I've heard from a few people is that they feel like the AI makes it too easy and it like takes away creativity. And I was like, man. Like no and and honestly, I'm gonna just go ahead like wholeheartedly disagree. Like disagree entirely. Does it make it easy? Yes. Nick Clason (42:43.968) Hmm. You're like and you're like, sorry. Nick Clason (42:53.836) Yeah. Josh Boldman (42:57.324) but it only removes creativity if that's what you've decided to do, right? Like so I would say it's a tool that is super fun, super easy to use, and it if you choose to allow it, I think it can actually raise the creativity that you bring to the table as if you're if you're willing to do the extra work because of the new tools that you have in your in your in your arsenal. Nick Clason (43:02.156) That's good. Yep. Nick Clason (43:14.986) Agreed. Nick Clason (43:21.533) yeah. All right. Last category then operation five point scale. Like the person sitting in the booth, clicking the buttons on ranking straight away. Josh Boldman (43:27.36) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (43:30.82) man, I mean here's my chance. I like I I think I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna say five. like I feel like it really is just do you wanna see the results now or not? Or do you want it to live rank or not? Like yeah, I so I like I feel good that I didn't just come in and take your top spot from you, but I I yeah. Nick Clason (43:33.782) Yeah, do it do it. Nick Clason (43:45.858) There you go. Nick Clason (43:54.007) But kind of did. It's it's tied now. Either you're very good at math or that was a fun little happy accident. Josh Boldman (43:55.535) kinda it's i it's tied. I I'm I I feel comfortable with that. Like that's a Josh Boldman (44:03.325) Yeah, that was a happy accident for sure. but that is that is a tension I'm okay with. Nick Clason (44:05.204) So here's here's how here's how here's how we're gonna do this. you get twenty-five creator bonus points. All right. So now, based off of these here, how would you crown, or what I should say, would you crown, and we'll give it twenty-five creator bonus points. And as you see, no matter which one here you choose, that will ultimately declare it to be Josh Boldman (44:13.15) Mm-hmm. Okay, okay. Nick Clason (44:34.281) The champion. Josh Boldman (44:36.606) gonna give do I have to give all twenty five to one thing? Nick Clason (44:40.864) I mean bro, y you c you invented this. You get to do whatever you want. Josh Boldman (44:47.392) I give five to every No, that would be such a waste. It's like 'cause then it's all the same. I I'm gonna Nick Clason (44:52.096) Yeah. But you can like you can set you could do eight and two. I mean if you really want, you know, I'm over here running leaderboard, you know how easy that is. Josh Boldman (44:56.16) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. I'm gonna say I'm gonna give all twenty-five points to live Josh Boldman (45:11.624) responses. that's it. Yeah, I'm gonna say right there. And and I yeah, because at the end like okay, here's here's probably again one of my favorite things about when we get to we get to talk on camera about stuff is I will tell people more than I probably should. and I will say live responses for me personally is the reason that Sidekick Pro Nick Clason (45:12.822) I knew it. Nick Clason (45:17.078) There it is. Nick Clason (45:26.303) Yeah. Josh Boldman (45:39.526) even like it wa we wanted that. We w we wanted the ability for students to respond or ask a question and it show up on the screen. And when we anytime we tried like I said with beta to make that happen, it just kept not working. And so we're like, what do we need to do to make that happen? And it was live responses inside GickPro. And so I mean just I I I would if that that type of feature Nick Clason (45:42.41) Mm. Nick Clason (45:55.479) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Josh Boldman (46:07.25) We we used to using multiple other services that cost our church way too much money, but I was fortunate enough to be at a church that had a larger budget. we used to do this thing where every lesson students could ask questions during the lesson and vote on them. And at the end, we would always take two minutes to address the top question. And we'd always say we'd address it because we didn't always have a good answer. Nick Clason (46:20.501) Yeah. Nick Clason (46:27.2) Yeah. Josh Boldman (46:36.46) and I just if I am like I was at that church for four and a half years and the most memorable moments of ministry happened during the answering or the addressing of those questions. And it was it was life-changing for me as a pastor, but also for those students that were able to to get their questions, you know, heard and and then you know answered. But then we used to take all of the Nick Clason (46:52.076) Yeah. Josh Boldman (47:06.164) the additional questions that we didn't get to and we would give those to the small group leaders and say, Hey, if you can talk about our questions or you can use the questions the students already have, do that. Like so it it there that like live responses is a if there is a such thing as a software development labor of love, like it is absolutely is it is that for me, hands down. Nick Clason (47:28.962) Yeah. Yeah. And I agree, by the way. Like I it I had a feeling that that's where that would go, with you. And but I like f anecdotally speaking, like I had s some of my staff sit in on your workshop at DYM one hundred and then we started to be able to roll this out when we were testing this like last spring and one of them came to me and was like, Can we please bring that back? And so like yeah, so like it is Josh Boldman (47:35.552) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (47:45.854) Mm-hmm. Right. Josh Boldman (47:52.256) Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (47:56.256) Cool. Nick Clason (47:58.797) We're we're gonna do co leader we're I guess now when this releases, we've been in Ask Me Anything. And so we were gonna kinda use Ask Me Anything as you know I mean, as the the on ramp to make this like a regular thing that we do on Wednesday nights. Plus we had like volunteers teaching all summer long, so I wasn't gonna do that to them, but Josh Boldman (48:04.352) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Great. Love it. Josh Boldman (48:13.183) That's so good. So good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Be careful on who you get to answer those questions. Cause and again, that's where the moderator comes in. Like please, please do not ever use live responses without a moderator. That's a recipe for disaster. but yeah, it 'cause man, some of the questions gosh, some of Not not great. Yeah. Nick Clason (48:25.28) Yep, yep, yep, yep. Nick Clason (48:35.916) Dude. So here we are, doorstep of conclusion, maybe. You know, we you and I could probably go for another two hours. But in the attempt of something of brevity, you got one final thing to say about Sidekick Pro. You it it has been everything you've done, it feels like probably for the last six months. This is your this is your moment. What would you say? Josh Boldman (48:41.971) Mm. Maybe. Yeah, sure. Mm-hmm. Josh Boldman (48:52.711) Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's it we're just getting started is I think is probably the the biggest thing is is we not a week goes by on our team where someone doesn't say, Ooh, could it do this and ooh could it do that? I will tell you that Josh Griffin and Doug Fields, we have DYM one hundred coming up. in October, so this will release before that. And the thing I was just on vacation and I came back to a message of them asking could we release a brand new game feature every day of DYM one hundred? And I was like, I so then I had a little bit of a heart attack and and decided I wrote my I you know I I wrote my resignation letter. Nick Clason (49:28.652) Mm-hmm. Nick Clason (49:41.909) my gosh. Nick Clason (49:50.592) Yeah, yeah. Josh Boldman (49:50.86) and then but but that's the thing is there is such an excitement on this team about what what possibilities does this open up that it just it just didn't before. I will tell you some things that we're working on, Nick, for you is we already have a deal with the buzzer where you can start stop the you know boxes or wheel or pick me, you know, photo fury, those kinds of things. But what if you had two buzzers and Nick Clason (50:00.225) Yeah. Josh Boldman (50:19.687) And you were trying to figure out which student buzzed in first or you know stuff like that. So like we're already working on stuff like that. we're working on different different game concepts. just it it's yeah, I I would say if you are getting in now, consider yourself on the n like it if you use the legacy or beta, it feels like this is already like the tenth floor of the of the high ride. Like but cons consider yourself like at the ground floor. Like it is there's more and more coming. Nick Clason (50:43.522) Ha ha ha. Yeah. Josh Boldman (50:49.527) and I I th I think I would say my only like advice to anyone who's using it, do not feel like you need to use every feature every week. You will exhaust yourself and your students very, very quickly. Don't do it. Just I mean it Yeah, just just don't do it. Nick Clason (50:59.607) Mm. Nick Clason (51:03.402) I don't even th that'd be overwhelming, bro. Get your phones out again. Josh Boldman (51:12.121) find ways do what you are already going to do and find ways to to use the features in Sidekick Pro to to make it a little bit better. and it and it will be for sure for sure. but yeah, yeah, I think that that would be that would be my thing is it's it is just getting started and I'm I'm constantly reminding myself, like I said earlier, trying not to say all of the features that are coming. So yeah. Nick Clason (51:17.666) Sprinkle it in, yeah. It's good. Nick Clason (51:39.392) Yeah. I love it. Nah, you should be like everyone listening, you should be pumped 'cause it just means like it's old like it like Josh says only getting better. So dude, I thank you for your time. You gave us a lot of it. And so we're incredibly thankful. And I love sidekick. I'm an incredibly like a raving fan. Like I people probably think I just drink the Kool Aid, but I don't get paid for any of this. I just use it like crazy. So Josh Boldman (51:41.373) Yeah, it's it it's it's tougher than it sounds. Josh Boldman (51:52.317) Yeah, man. Anytime. Josh Boldman (52:05.363) No. Hey, you know what? Here's what I'm gonna tell you. Anyone listening, if you are not a DYM Gold member or a co-leader subscriber, because they already get it. Yeah, you already get it. then here's what I'll say is use the code first month free. so download sidekick, use the code first month free. It will open all of the features for the the whole thing. Everything is there, all the live features, all the AI stuff. Nick Clason (52:14.987) Right, right, right. Nick Clason (52:22.773) Okay. Nick Clason (52:28.724) Unlocked the whole thing. Yeah. Josh Boldman (52:35.223) so that's code first month free all one word. and and it'll it'll get you roll and and trust me, you will you will immediately cancel all of your other subscriptions to any other presentation stuff and then you'll be like, Why was I not using this from the beginning? And y I'll say you're right. Nick Clason (52:49.962) Next episode we'll do a Pro Presenter license plus Kahoot license plus C C L I l like and then we'll add all up and we'll figure out how much you can actually save from sidekick alone and or just being a platinum member plus all your curriculum plus all your volunteer training plus we're gonna be here another hour if we dive into that. So just know it's worth it. Josh Boldman (52:55.935) I'm telling ya. Josh Boldman (53:00.765) There w I mean it s yeah. Yeah. my gosh. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And and no one wants to end a podcast with math. Like no one is like, you know what, let me gr let me go get my whiteboard I get a chalkboard out or just Yeah, yeah. First month free. Sweet. Nick Clason (53:16.61) No. Nick Clason (53:20.53) So first month free, people. Just that's the math you need to know for now. All right, sweet. Thanks, man. Josh Boldman (53:27.976) Later.